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	<title>Comments on: Last of the Geekhicans</title>
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		<title>By: Bettyn</title>
		<link>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-19635</link>
		<dc:creator>Bettyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My story is much the same as yours. The main reason I joined DZ is because my university was located in an urban area and a lot of the guys I  met on campus weren't necessarily students but locals looking for a quick date-rape. At least I had a readymade bunch of galpals who could fix me up with guys  with whom I had something in common.The DZs were girls like me: Pretty ordinary looking, mostly fine arts majors ("wonks", if you know what I mean), got decent grades, and weren't a bunch of airhead rich blondes who were screwing half of the football team! (Ever dated a football player? Talk about D-U-M-B!)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our chapter was closed down shortly after I graduated. (Probably by the same harpies involved in the DePauw mess and for much the same reasons.) I have decided to give up my alumnae membership in DZ over this despicable mess, and I'll bet I'm not the first person to do this. I don't like to see young women treated this way, and as for the racist element involved in this, THAT is utterly inexcusable and unforgivable!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My story is much the same as yours. The main reason I joined DZ is because my university was located in an urban area and a lot of the guys I  met on campus weren&#8217;t necessarily students but locals looking for a quick date-rape. At least I had a readymade bunch of galpals who could fix me up with guys  with whom I had something in common.The DZs were girls like me: Pretty ordinary looking, mostly fine arts majors (&#8221;wonks&#8221;, if you know what I mean), got decent grades, and weren&#8217;t a bunch of airhead rich blondes who were screwing half of the football team! (Ever dated a football player? Talk about D-U-M-B!)</p>
<p>Our chapter was closed down shortly after I graduated. (Probably by the same harpies involved in the DePauw mess and for much the same reasons.) I have decided to give up my alumnae membership in DZ over this despicable mess, and I&#8217;ll bet I&#8217;m not the first person to do this. I don&#8217;t like to see young women treated this way, and as for the racist element involved in this, THAT is utterly inexcusable and unforgivable!</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa Davis</title>
		<link>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-18158</link>
		<dc:creator>Vanessa Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-18158</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;I had forgotten that you ended up as a DZ, MJ, since it was after I deactivated myself.  Right on the money with the assessment of our DZ chapter.  I was about the most unlikely sorority member imaginable... geeky, always reading, not pretty in the plastic sense, never much of a partier, didn't drink, and absolutely not interested in the opposite sex.  (It took me a while to figure out the implications of that last one.)  DZ gave me an open bid my sophomore year and I thought why not since I knew the women anyway and already hung out with pretty much all of them.  They were smart, witty, and out of the mainstream.  I probably should have realized that membership wasn't for me when I fell asleep during initiation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I lasted less than a year.  By the end of the second semester, the alumnae sponsors requested that I deactivate and I agreed that it was a fine idea.  The women in the chapter didn't want me to leave.  I think they got a kick out of the fact that I staged a silent protest during chapter meeting because of a stupid rule (especially scandalous since I was an officer) and routinely rolled my eyes at the too serious and full of themselves alums who were told by nationals to make us into the mainstream.  But they understood that it wasn't going to work and we all remained friends.  Hell, almost all of them lived on the residence hall floor that I was an RA on.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The part of this story that hasn't gotten much attention is the role that homophobia plays into all of this.  The young women that were booted were kicked out, in part, because they did not fit the "traditional" image of a woman.  In other words, they transgressed.  And although it is not clear whether any of them were dykes, it is clear that there is no greater transgression in that system than to be a lesbian.  Funny since our DZ chapter was full of so many dykes.  Hell, when I was a freshman the president and the secretary were a hot couple and regularly sleeping together.  They went on to have a ten year relationship.  So much for the status quo.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had forgotten that you ended up as a DZ, MJ, since it was after I deactivated myself.  Right on the money with the assessment of our DZ chapter.  I was about the most unlikely sorority member imaginable&#8230; geeky, always reading, not pretty in the plastic sense, never much of a partier, didn&#8217;t drink, and absolutely not interested in the opposite sex.  (It took me a while to figure out the implications of that last one.)  DZ gave me an open bid my sophomore year and I thought why not since I knew the women anyway and already hung out with pretty much all of them.  They were smart, witty, and out of the mainstream.  I probably should have realized that membership wasn&#8217;t for me when I fell asleep during initiation.</p>
<p>I lasted less than a year.  By the end of the second semester, the alumnae sponsors requested that I deactivate and I agreed that it was a fine idea.  The women in the chapter didn&#8217;t want me to leave.  I think they got a kick out of the fact that I staged a silent protest during chapter meeting because of a stupid rule (especially scandalous since I was an officer) and routinely rolled my eyes at the too serious and full of themselves alums who were told by nationals to make us into the mainstream.  But they understood that it wasn&#8217;t going to work and we all remained friends.  Hell, almost all of them lived on the residence hall floor that I was an RA on.</p>
<p>The part of this story that hasn&#8217;t gotten much attention is the role that homophobia plays into all of this.  The young women that were booted were kicked out, in part, because they did not fit the &#8220;traditional&#8221; image of a woman.  In other words, they transgressed.  And although it is not clear whether any of them were dykes, it is clear that there is no greater transgression in that system than to be a lesbian.  Funny since our DZ chapter was full of so many dykes.  Hell, when I was a freshman the president and the secretary were a hot couple and regularly sleeping together.  They went on to have a ten year relationship.  So much for the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: emjaybee</title>
		<link>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-12855</link>
		<dc:creator>emjaybee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-12855</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;roorooB thanks, but they wouldn't know where to find me...I haven't talked to a National since 1992, at the latest. I had no desire to keep getting petitioned for alumna donations by the people who had tried to disown me and my crazy smart sisters.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Potatoe! Hee!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roorooB thanks, but they wouldn&#8217;t know where to find me&#8230;I haven&#8217;t talked to a National since 1992, at the latest. I had no desire to keep getting petitioned for alumna donations by the people who had tried to disown me and my crazy smart sisters.</p>
<p>Potatoe! Hee!</p>
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		<title>By: roorooB</title>
		<link>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-12850</link>
		<dc:creator>roorooB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-12850</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;A response I wrote to another blogpost on the subject:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;"What on earth were they thinking, that being overweight or a racial minority amounts to a negative image?"&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As - soooo ironically - a biracial woman, a sorority woman, and an IU graduate, I'd like to share that I'm SURE that that's exactly what DZ Nationals were thinking.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What amuses me deeply about this horrific situation, all its negative ramifications aside in the current cultural climate, is the narrow thinking of the DZ National officers on what constitutes a "socially awkward" state, and their hideously limited thinking as to how to effectively wage a PR campaign to combat that stereotype on campus, if they were in fact concerned with how it was affecting their recruitment (assuming that their financial concerns were, in fact, the "bottom line", and not a smokescreen for something more scurrilous).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It's clear to me that, either they had no PR professionals within their alumna sisterhood they could call on,  that they didn't call on the ones they could have (Grabapple much?) or the ones they did have weren't any good.  Searing irony for a sorority full of "smart " girls.    (As a DST with a couple of graduate degrees, I continue to smirk and postulate that the meek may yet perhaps inherit.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In closing - with apologies to Erin - let's all remember that Dan Quayle too was a DePauw graduate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;P-O-T-A-T-O-E.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A response I wrote to another blogpost on the subject:</p>
<p>&#8220;What on earth were they thinking, that being overweight or a racial minority amounts to a negative image?&#8221;</p>
<p>As - soooo ironically - a biracial woman, a sorority woman, and an IU graduate, I&#8217;d like to share that I&#8217;m SURE that that&#8217;s exactly what DZ Nationals were thinking.</p>
<p>What amuses me deeply about this horrific situation, all its negative ramifications aside in the current cultural climate, is the narrow thinking of the DZ National officers on what constitutes a &#8220;socially awkward&#8221; state, and their hideously limited thinking as to how to effectively wage a PR campaign to combat that stereotype on campus, if they were in fact concerned with how it was affecting their recruitment (assuming that their financial concerns were, in fact, the &#8220;bottom line&#8221;, and not a smokescreen for something more scurrilous).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear to me that, either they had no PR professionals within their alumna sisterhood they could call on,  that they didn&#8217;t call on the ones they could have (Grabapple much?) or the ones they did have weren&#8217;t any good.  Searing irony for a sorority full of &#8220;smart &#8221; girls.    (As a DST with a couple of graduate degrees, I continue to smirk and postulate that the meek may yet perhaps inherit.)</p>
<p>In closing - with apologies to Erin - let&#8217;s all remember that Dan Quayle too was a DePauw graduate.</p>
<p>P-O-T-A-T-O-E.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly, NYC</title>
		<link>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-12749</link>
		<dc:creator>Molly, NYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-12749</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Erin - I can't believe your members were booted on the basis of looks, because (a) it made the national organization look like absolute twits throughout the width and breadth of the English-language internet, and (b) from the &lt;i&gt;Times&lt;/i&gt; photo, you're all &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; cute. And your mothers and I aren't the only ones who think so.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin - I can&#8217;t believe your members were booted on the basis of looks, because (a) it made the national organization look like absolute twits throughout the width and breadth of the English-language internet, and (b) from the <i>Times</i> photo, you&#8217;re all <i>really</i> cute. And your mothers and I aren&#8217;t the only ones who think so.</p>
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		<title>By: X-Tra Rant &#187; Sexism in Sororities</title>
		<link>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-12679</link>
		<dc:creator>X-Tra Rant &#187; Sexism in Sororities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-12679</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Grabapple: Last Of The Geekhicans [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Erin Swisshelm</title>
		<link>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-12669</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Swisshelm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://grabapple.net/entry/343#comment-12669</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hello there! Thank you so much for helping spread awareness about this. And I deeply regret that anything similar has ever happened to our sisters elsewhere. Delta Chapter at DePauw has a rocky history with Nationals as well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You and I had the same ideals about sororities. I'm sorry for both of us and the rest of the women in similar situations that we were wrong.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I guess what I want more than anything is for such judgements in and out of the Greek system to stop. What should it matter what size or shape a person is? What should it matter what other people think of me? It doesn't lessen my value as a person.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thank you for posting. Let's hope this helps stop this senselessness.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello there! Thank you so much for helping spread awareness about this. And I deeply regret that anything similar has ever happened to our sisters elsewhere. Delta Chapter at DePauw has a rocky history with Nationals as well.</p>
<p>You and I had the same ideals about sororities. I&#8217;m sorry for both of us and the rest of the women in similar situations that we were wrong.</p>
<p>I guess what I want more than anything is for such judgements in and out of the Greek system to stop. What should it matter what size or shape a person is? What should it matter what other people think of me? It doesn&#8217;t lessen my value as a person.</p>
<p>Thank you for posting. Let&#8217;s hope this helps stop this senselessness.</p>
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